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Thinking Straight (Pt 3): Surviving

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Attempts at conversion therapy are taking place across the country: in village churches, Harley Street clinics and counsellors’ treatment rooms. 

In this third episode of a seven-part series, reporter Emily Sargent speaks to survivors and campaigners about the extremely secretive practice.

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If you, or someone you know, has been affected by the issues raised in this episode, the following organisations can help:

Switchboard provides an information, support and referral service for anyone who needs to consider issues around their sexuality.

Phone: 0300 330 0630 (10am-10pm).

Samaritans is available for anyone struggling to cope and provide a safe place to talk 24 hours a day.

Phone: 116 123


Justin Beck, conversion therapy survivor.

Maya, conversion therapy survivor.

Matt Mahmood-Ogston, founder, Naz and Matt Foundation.

Host: Emily Sargent, journalist.

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