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S9 Ep42: Russia’s Shadow War Against NATO with Florian Flade


Published: 23 April 2025 at 19:41 Europe/London

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Episode notes

Chris welcomes back national security journalist Florian Flade to unpack Russia’s shadow war against NATO. They examine Moscow’s escalating hybrid attacks across Europe—from sabotage and arson to drone incursions and attempted assassinations—and how Russia recruits low-level agents via Telegram and even AI-driven chatbots. Florian details arson plots, suspicious drone activity near critical infrastructure, infiltration of the German Navy, and a parcel bomb campaign stretching from Lithuania to the UK. They also explore how Russia exploits legal loopholes, overwhelms under-resourced security services, and uses these operations to map NATO’s vulnerabilities. Plus, an alleged assassination plot in Frankfurt, concerns about escalation, and why European security services may still be underprepared for what’s coming.


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Florian’s reporting discussed in the episode

https://www.tagesschau.de/investigativ/ndr-wdr/drohnen-ueberfluege-102.html

https://www.tagesschau.de/investigativ/ndr-wdr/sabotage-marine-ostsee-102.html

https://www.tagesschau.de/investigativ/ndr-wdr/russland-sabotage-106.html

https://www.tagesschau.de/investigativ/ndr-wdr/ukraine-russland-spionage-102.html

https://www.generalbundesanwalt.de/SharedDocs/Pressemitteilungen/DE/2024/Pressemitteilung-vom-18-04-2024.html


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