The Tortoise Podcast
Jeff and Donald
Published: 3 June 2025 at 05:00 Europe/London
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Episode notes
What happens when the business interests and private passions of one of the world’s richest men collide with the world’s most powerful man?
Reporter: Stephen Armstrong
Producer: Katie Gunning
Sound design: Dominic Delargy
Artwork: Lola Williams
Editor: Jasper Corbett
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