1 | Jess Phillips & Luke Trainor

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Jess Phillips MP is the youngest of four, the only girl and cheerfully confesses to being "the bossy one". In this episode, she and her brother Luke Trainor talk about getting into big trouble as kids, whether or not you were allowed to smoke in the loft (you weren't) and how even as adults, they still have each other's backs: Jess tried to help when Luke suffered from serious drug addiction, and Luke worries about Jess navigating an increasingly fraught political world.    

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