The Two Matts

The Anne Applebaum Interview

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This week, the Matts talk to Pulitzer-winning author and journalist Anne Applebaum about her terrific new book on modern autocracy - and how different it is to the 20th century totalitarian blocs. How complicit is the West in these new networks of corruption and repression? And - with the UN at a low ebb - what can be done to take on these nimble and nasty states? Don’t miss this conversation with one of the most important writers in the world today.

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