Plant Cunning Podcast
Ep. 232: David Holmgren on Permaculture's Origins & Building Resilient Households
Published: 27 May 2026 at 10:30 Europe/London
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Get your tickets for the Plant Cunning Conference here: Plant Cunning Conference – In-Person in New York – July 24-26, 2026Today on the show, Isaac & AC welcome David Holmgren, co-originator of the Permaculture concept.In this episode, David describes life at Melliodora in Central Victoria with three semi-autonomous households sharing work and produce, and recounts how he came to the “plant path” through plant ID, foraging, and early research for Permaculture One. He tells the story of meeting Bill Mollison in 1974 and how the idea of agriculture functioning like a forest became a seed of permaculture, while reflecting on Mollison’s charisma and difficulty. The conversation explores holistic thinking versus reductionism, DIY self-reliance, cycles of skill loss and renewal, COVID’s impact on interest in permaculture and RetroSuburbia, “enlightened self-interest,” energy descent and relocalization, household-scale resilience including health capacity, and where to find Holmgren’s essays and websites.
02:11 Meet David Holmgren
03:47 Finding the Plant Path
06:04 Chance Meeting with Bill Mollison
08:15 Permaculture Seed Idea
12:12 Working with a Charismatic Genius
15:31 Patterns vs Practice
21:13 DIY Skills and Tasmania Culture
24:27 Cycles of Self Reliance
28:17 COVID and RetroSuburbia Spike
30:07 Enlightened Self Interest Explained
37:29 Humans as Keystone Species
38:26 Hierarchy and Elite Corruption
40:35 Predators and Power
41:25 Fossil Fuel Hierarchy
42:42 Globalists vs Sovereigntists
44:11 Household Resilience Basics
45:35 Health as Weak Link
47:44 Bigger Households Work
52:17 Household Beats Consensus
55:23 Food Growing Mindset
59:09 Jack of all trades, Master of One
01:03:06 Why Intentional Communities Fail
01:06:49 Brown Tech Uncertainty
01:08:32 Tower of Babel Reality
01:12:35 Long Descent Balance
01:16:29 Essays and Resources
01:19:30 Final Thanks and Wrap
