The Stooshie: the politics podcast from DC Thomson Media

We search for words of wisdom as John Swinney becomes First Minister

Becoming first minister was the easy bit for John Swinney.

Now the handshakes and warm words are over, the hard work of governing begins.

We speak with Kayleigh Quinn, who knows a thing or two about wrangling a difficult group at Holyrood.

The former Scottish Labour organiser tells us what might be going through the new leader’s head as he looks at reshaping the SNP.