How I Work

Andrew Barnes on the productivity tips that make condensing a five day week into a four day week possible

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My guest today is entrepreneur and philanthropist Andrew Barnes. What you might know Andrew for is the person behind creating the Four Day Work Week, where as the founder of Perpetual Guardian, he trialled having his 200+ staff do a four day work week - that is, fit five days worth of work into four. Andrew now consults to companies around the world, helping them do what he did at Perpetual Guardian. Andrew also wrote a book about his experience with implementing the four day work week, called, The Four Day Week, which looks at the results the firm has achieved and how you can create a shorter week at your organisation. We cover: - How Andrew sets boundaries between work and non-work life - Andrew’s morning routine - Andrews strategies for staying off email on his weekends - How Andrew helps his staff stay off their mobile phones at work - Andrew’s rules for making meetings more efficient - Why Andrew has banned people from eating lunch at their desk - How Andrew links meetings to individual productivity outcomes - How Andrew transformed his office environment to make it more conducive to productivity - Why Andrew’s down time is when he does his best creative and strategic thinking - How Andrew’s staff are maintaining connectedness during COVID Learn more about the Four Day Week here.  Visit for full show notes from all episodes.   Get in touch at [email protected]   If you are looking for more tips to improve the way you work, I write a short monthly newsletter that contains three cool things that I have discovered that help me work better, which range from interesting research findings through to gadgets I am loving. You can sign up for that at  

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